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You're My Only Hope...

February 4th, 2013, 11:01 pm

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Reply MasterTalon, February 4th, 2013, 12:06 pm

Several things in this comic, first, it is a very talkie one. Exposition needs to be dealt out, and in this setting, it really had to be just them talking.

Second, I really hate some of the terms from the Zero series. How they tried to make it a fantasy series by using the term elf and such. I think of the term as an acronym for Cybernetic Energy Life Form (which makes since as that's what it is). It's also why I had Sigma refer to it as Data many times too, since in the X series it was bad enough as DNA Data and Data Soul. Very uncomputer/robotic to give it more human terms.

Also, Ciel is a character I really dislike. As you could see how I had Axl give her the harsh words in the Mega Man Axl story, she caused the major problems of the MMZ era. Also, the Biometals were neat in theory, but to me they seemed a pale shadow compared to the original Reploids. It begs to wonder why they didn't use DNA Resurrection (a thing hammered on many times in X and Z) to bring the heroes back.

Also, since by the time of the Z series, Cyberspace was in some ways akin to the afterlife for Reploids, I pictured it as similar to the Lifestream from Final Fantasy VII. It is a massive stream of data that all the Cyber Elf data flows, and finding one single data file among it all would be incredibly difficult.

The Biometal research I figured would have some basis on the data from the Cyber Elf, hence why I said Zero's ELF data would be fragmented and needing a patch.

Thus in the end, X and Zero are now one. Perhaps a perfect warrior. X's compassion merged with Zero's dark nature to make the perfect balance.

And final also, if you get the reference in the comic (not the title), give yourself a cookie, because the referenced material is awesome.

Edit: The part of Sigma not being keen on a berserker Zero being loose is because last time it happened, half of Sigma's face got ripped off (see the X4 flashback).

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User's Comments:

Reply WhiteBladeZero, February 4th, 2013, 11:08 pm

@MasterTalon: It's the title.

"Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."

You're dealing with a big fan of Star Wars (all 6 movies, I might add)

Reply Mega Fan, February 5th, 2013, 12:38 am

...This is awesome. I don't like Ciel much myself. She really did cause more harm than much else. You've explained this greatly. I would have liked N in the ruler role. But that might've been a re hash of the last chapter...

Reply MasterTalon, February 5th, 2013, 7:32 am

@WhiteBladeZero: The title wasn't the reference I was speaking of. There is another reference in the comic itself. I am a fan of Star Wars too. I love the Clone Wars, the movies, I got tons of the games, the tabletop RPG, heck, I even got a Star Wars beer stein. >_>

Reply darkfiresupersonic, February 5th, 2013, 11:45 am

n/a saw that coming.

Reply RedRob, February 5th, 2013, 3:04 pm

So wait, why would have making a biometal fragment Zero's soul? Seems like your giving Ciel a mild "Ron the Death Eater" treatment which is bad writing. (Look it up on TV Tropes) Though you do have a point about her causing trouble, but she did try to make up for it with waking up Zero and trying to make a new energy source. Plus Ciel was 6 when she made Copy X and her DNA was altered for the purpose of having geniuses to design better reploids so as far as she was concerned back then, she was doing what she was made to do . On side note if Zero's soul was damaged then what about X's? He was made into a Biometal too.

Reply RedRob, February 5th, 2013, 3:17 pm

Um, If my question doesn't make much sense to you, I'm basically asking would have Ciel taken only part of zero's data and not used all of it to make the biometal.(If I'm correctly understand the elf used as a basis idea you're talking about)

Also, one of the themes of the X series is that Reploids can think and feel just like humans, so to me it's normal for humanlike terms to be used for Reploids. Plus, As far as I can tell DNA Data is like internal blueprint for a Reploid's body while a Data Soul is the Reploid's personality/soul

Reply I_am_N, February 5th, 2013, 4:25 pm

The reference is Galvatron, people. Galvatron being almost as badass as me before wiping his baseplate with Starscream.

Reply MasterTalon, February 5th, 2013, 4:32 pm

@RedRob: I'm not turning her evil or making her out to be a moron for the sake of it, but her choices in the game series were not well made ones.

Being a child is one of the biggest problems, she had the brilliance by genetic manipulation, but she didn't have the WISDOM. Light spent his entire life earning his degrees and building his creations. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Light had the wisdom of that when he built X.

Bad writing on my part it may be, but the game's writing for her was bad too.

The energy source part was the one thing she did I thought was good.

But the fragmentation was because like I said, I see cyberspace as a vast place where all data goes, making finding one single thing difficult, so her experiments to make the Biometals based upon the data of past Reploid pulled only part of the data back. I made that because as I stated earlier, the Biometals are just cheap imitations to the original models, which again begs the question, why she didn't do DNA Resurrection to revive the real Zero.

Also, if the Reploids being humanlike lead to human terms, they should say, death, kill, die, instead of 'retire'. They sort of pick and choose.

Reply MasterTalon, February 5th, 2013, 4:32 pm

@I_am_N: You got it in one. :p

Reply I_am_N, February 5th, 2013, 5:04 pm

@MasterTalon: Doubt any of the carbons got the LotR reference in the last strip, either.

Reply RedRob, February 5th, 2013, 6:25 pm

@MasterTalon: Thanks for clarifying, but all I'm saying is go easier on her. She was a good kid trying to help people but didn't know any better. If you were the same as her, wouldn't you do the same? Plus since your comic is non-canon, her forming the Resistance is another good thing she did. Granted, this is your opinion, so I shouldn't be too harsh. But the canon creator is Ciel no matter what or how your ideas fit in with the timeline, because until Capcom says otherwise, there's no official explanation for what happened to Axl and co. I mean, another explanation is Copy decides that they realize his secret too easily, so he killed them, but left Ciel alone because 1. she created him, and 2. she's human. So she did at least 2 or 3 good things despite what you might say.

And for the DR, well 1. it was illegal in X6 and might be still, so Ciel found it to be immoral or something along that line. 2. It's stated in X6 that X and Z's DNA were unable to be analyzed so that makes harder then normal, also Copy+ Guards were like imperfect clones in one way or another.(if copy was "perfect" then what about weapons/armors?) so that isn't a viable counter for you, plus if finding souls in are so hard then it's as you say, body without mind is useless, so DR isn't going to be a better option then Biometals. Want to say more but got to go now.

Reply I_am_N, February 5th, 2013, 6:40 pm

@RedRob: The acronym "TL;DR" comes to mind a lot when I read cannon vs comic arguments lately.

Reply MasterTalon, February 5th, 2013, 6:41 pm

@RedRob: Gate was able to analyze 99% (if I recall correctly) of Zero's DNA, Ceil made a perfect physical copy of X, so she could analyze the DNA properly.

I'm just saying that all her good intentions lead to a lot of trouble, as the old saying goes, "The road to hell is paved in good intentions."

Her forming the resistance seems like a stroke of luck more than anything, she has no military training or anything resembling the ability to lead an organization. She's not a leader I'd put faith in with all her doubt and misgivings and such.

And if Ciel revived Zero, hero of the world many times over, do you really think the world would damn her for it? She made robo-Hitler, so bringing back a real hero might be a good move. :p

I'm not saying she is a terrible person, she just did bad things that everyone overlooked. After all, even the worst tyrants in history did some positive things, but we don't forgive them just because they did that. :p

Reply RedRob, February 5th, 2013, 9:06 pm

@MasterTalon: perfect copy? eh, copy did could do things I never remember X doing, so that's a little iffy.(Also weapons/armors) Plus Issoc is hinted to be Wily, who created zero, and he was helping Gate, so put 2 and 2 together.

Also, again, I'm saying that you should dislike the act, not the character. Plus by the logic of the last line, Ciel still isn't a character to be hated. Those tyrants were evil people at heart, while Ciel was good. You shouldn't dislike her because of that one act, especially when she worked hard to make up for it and even found a solution which was Zero.I'm saying she did more good deeds then bad deeds just as those tyrants did more bad deeds then good deeds. Also she was giving orders to the resistance in 4, so she has some leading ability. The Guardians(not the 4) are proof of that. Plus I'm saying that she's the FOUNDER not the leader. The Resistance wouldn't even exist in the first place without her. I mean it's like when a politician forms a group then has someone else lead it. In other words, I see no reason to dislike. Dislike what she did, yes. Her, no.

You also didn't respond to my point about DR doing the same damage to souls that biometals do. Granted you could say that the tech Sigma has wouldn't cause that, but Ciel had to fight Model W somehow and DR would have fragmented the souls too by your logic, so tough luck. And what about X's condition. What is he missing? Plus why would the souls be fragmented into multiple pieces? It would be more logical to say that they was fragmented into two.

I wish Thanetos was here. He could be of help here. Also the "retire" thing was probably just some of Copy's propaganda.

Reply I_am_N, February 5th, 2013, 9:27 pm

@MasterTalon: You seem to have struck a nerve with one of the carbons and their favorite character. Have a care with the fanboys, you don't have twin busters or a beam saber to hold them off like I do.

Reply MasterTalon, February 5th, 2013, 9:36 pm

@RedRob: I enjoy a good debate.

Isoc is never said to help Gate, remember, his own reploids were not able to be analyzed like X and Zero. Plus he was able to revive them with no ill side effects. There seems to be several different forms of DR, Metalshark Player had the attacks which I figure are like zombies or controlled drones, then there is the actual DR that Gate did to revive his followers.

DR is not shown to damage the ELF like I suggest the Biometal process does. As for X's condition, he's mainly the restraint, that was what Sigma wanted, if he was to miss anything, it'd be the combative side, his more aggressive moments (which he does have).

And Ciel is the leader in the first game, she handed off leadership to Elpizo in Z2, and it looks like she's back in charge in Z3. She is the founder canon-wise, yes (unless otherwise noted), but she lacks the ability to lead properly. Elpizo at least had some idea of what it meant to lead before he got so caught up in himself.

And her one bad action (Copy X) lead to how many Reploid deaths? Copy X was cold and cruel and seemingly had Reploids branded as Mavericks and retired for next to no reason. All for the sake of 'peace'. How many lives were lost? How many ruined (but not killed?). That's a lot to make up for, plus if they had just had other rulers, and not relied solely on Copy X, Weil wouldn't have been able to take control in Z3, because everyone else who might have lead wouldn't have had Weil there in a position to grab power. >_> <_< So yeah, compounded and made worse.

Reply RedRob, February 6th, 2013, 11:33 am

Honestly, I think both of us are tired debating about Ciel and I'm going to end with saying hate the act, not her. You are right about Copy and the leading thing, though I think after being a leader for 3 games she would have some idea, so could have done a better job? yes. Did a horrible job? Hm, could have done worse, like falling to find Zero.
Also, if you still disagree, oh well. We both have made points about her, so let it end, shall we?

Copy killed Reploids because there was an energy shortage and he figured if there were less Reploids, the energy would last longer. He probably also got rid of any other figurehead in case they turned against him. Or maybe they did have others, only they saw X as the ultimate leader and blindly followed him. And Weil brainwashed Copy and brought him back, so maybe Weil used Copy's influence to get rid of them offscreen. Though I do want to question what would have happened if she didn't made Copy. Would a tyrant taken over during the confusion?

DR and Biometals:
1.You didn't answer why the soul fragmented into more then two pieces.
2.There's no real canon evidence to suggest that Biometals cause fragmenting.
3. I understand your logic that finding something in Cyberspace is like finding a needle in a haystack, but for DR you still need the soul, and my logic is that Cyberspace is growing bigger and bigger as technology advances, so maybe it was easier for Gate since it wasn't too big then. Though granted he was their creator, so maybe he was able to replace the missing parts.
So maybe Ciel was able to recreate the body but feared that the missing fragments would cause a repeat of her past mistake. Though that explanation has a hole in it. (I'm going out on a limb here saying that the tech Sigma has now was able to recreate them without side effects, but that's a non-canon future.) 3b. Continuing, maybe Ciel wasn't able to recreate them with the supplies at hand like maybe she didn't have the necessary parts or data or the sufficient tech to do so or a combination of the 3.
4. X5 was supposed to be the last game in the x series so, maybe Inafune decided to not use anything introduced after that game in the Zero series.

Reply RedRob, February 7th, 2013, 7:33 pm

Dude, you got to read this fanfic. It's awesome.
Um, there's a link here. The background hides it.

Reply Thanatos-Zero, February 8th, 2013, 1:32 pm

@RedRob: I have taken neutral position in this matter. I do not want to tell Talon what he needs to do. Also you already brought up some facts I agree with.

However CyberSpace existed even before technology came into being. It is just another name for the afterlife.

Reply MasterTalon, February 8th, 2013, 3:49 pm

@RedRob: Though I have my opinions on Ciel, you also got to understand the two who spoke so of her in the story.

First is Axl, who found out of his life long friends was dead and a copy who betrayed all his friend's values was put in place secretly, that's a major shock, to be sure.

Then there is Sigma, who is always harsh. His view of a weapons he believes wouldn't be made to it's full potential would be a waste, when it wouldn't do all it could to ensure the victory, or vice versa.

Reply MasterTalon, February 8th, 2013, 3:51 pm

@Thanatos-Zero: Cyberspace is weird in the Mega Man series. In X it's not really viewed as the afterlife, more just like a cyber world. the Zero series played up the after life angle.

I'm trying to merge these two ideas, it's just odd how one thing can get different takes. I always found that amusing.

Reply RedRob, February 8th, 2013, 5:08 pm

@MasterTalon: Huh, good point, but you made the biometals fragments souls even when there's no evidence to it so only axl's view is 100% valid. Sigma, eh 90% since you played around with the canon a bit. Though the zero series kind of had a lot of bad writing when you go in deep, or at least questionable story choices. There's links here. But let's bury the knife shall we? (Knife since this was more of a heated debate then an actual conflict)

Now, let's get to the DR stuff I mentioned in my earlier post, though now I wonder if bad writing is the actual reason for confusion with DR and biometals.

Oh and the fanfic, seriously it's awesome. the writer even had a explanation as to why zero is able to cheat death.

Reply MasterTalon, February 8th, 2013, 5:32 pm

@RedRob: Not a knife. A BEAM knife. That's what you bury in a Mega Man game.

And Zero survives because he has a condition known as Jean Greyism. It allows for miraculous revivals without proper explanations.

Besides, I have no knife to bury, as I said before, I enjoy a good debate. I never tired of the debate, because it had good points all around.

Reply Slasher, February 8th, 2013, 6:49 pm

y0! I am liking the way that this new chapter is going to turn out. Props on making Sigma a "good guy" (hope he's not going to backstabbed). Keep on storytelling MT!

Reply RedRob, February 8th, 2013, 7:03 pm

@MasterTalon: Just read the links will ya? You'll find them interesting at least. Oh, and let's get back to the Biometal and DR debate.

Reply I_am_N, February 8th, 2013, 7:59 pm

What is with the carbons getting too uppity and excited about a loosely based comic not following the games to the letter? Should I be laying down newspapers on the floor in case one wets themselves?

Reply Thanatos-Zero, July 27th, 2015, 6:34 am

One thing though... The so much called bad writing that Ciel created Copy X. It was a late to last decision to change X to Copy X.
Thus Ciel had to stand in.

It was for the reason to keep X a hero, and being a villian would be soor taste for players playing X, knowing he would turn into a villian one day.

However... childs are blank papers, do you really blame a child for not knowing better?
She herself realised her mistakes, when she matured.

Reply RedRob, August 26th, 2015, 3:37 pm

@Thanatos-Zero: Wow you replied late. That aside, I have come to the conclusion that Ciel is in no way responsible for Copy X going Hitler on reploids. Copy was a reploid himself, meaning he had his own will and mind. It's like a woman giving birth to someone who would grow up and become a serial killer. In that case you wouldn't blame the mother for her child's actions would you?


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